Regerian “harmony” and the tonal system

More than one websurfer has happened upon this blog recently by putting the phrase “reger chord progressions” into a search engine. (Evidently they were led to my Chopin post, where Max is given a brief mention.) You have to be kidding me, folks.

There is perhaps no corpus of music that more effectively demonstrates the futility of the Rameau-Riemann-Piston conception of music theory (“chord progressions”, “functional harmony” and the like) than the oeuvre of Max Reger. That is despite the fact — and how’s this for irony — that Riemann had been Reger’s teacher, while Schenker (who actually did have something close to the right theoretical idea) couldn’t stand Reger’s music.

I know whereof I speak: as an undergraduate, I spent an entire semester (and the summer afterward) racking my brains in an attempt to “analyze” the first movement of Reger’s clarinet sonata, op. 107, using a version of harmonic theory. Suffice it to say that the results of that effort were nowhere near as beautiful as the music itself.

Even to attempt to describe — let alone analyze — Reger’s music in terms of “chords” and “progressions” is sheer madness. I can’t locate my score for op. 107 (which, thanks to me, is a mess anyway), and there isn’t one online, so we’ll have to “make do” with another of my favorite Reger works, the Piano Concerto in F minor, op. 114 (which is online, in both full score and two-piano reduction). Let’s start right at the beginning (click for larger version):

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Well, I’ll grant that the first measure isn’t terribly problematic, even for harmonic theorists. But take a look at the second measure! What the heck is that chord on beat 3?! F-G-C: does this have a name besides [027]? The first chord, a [036], we can at least call “viio7 of V without the D” (though that raises the question of why Max would gratuitously choose to omit the D that “belongs” there — a question to which harmonic theory provides no answer); but what Roman numeral goes under F-G-C?

A solution can be cobbled together, but it requires a bit of clever cheating. A viio7 of V, you see, is a chord of “dominant function” with respect to V, and is required to resolve to its tonic, namely V = {C, E, G}. Well, if we ignore the F in our sonority and declare that an E has been omitted, we can interpret it as the “resolution” of the preceding chord, and put a “V” under it. To appease our guilty consciences, and make ourselves feel better about this theoretical patch-up job, we can remind everyone that, after all, F is the tonic of the piece, and it’s stuck way down there in the bass as a sustained tone or “pedal”.

Unfortunately, to do this is already to give the game away to the other side. For as soon as we allow ourselves to “ignore” notes, we have left Rameau-Riemann territory and entered Schenker-Westergaard territory. Once we admit that a line in a texture does not necessarily have to “conspire with” or “ask permission from” other lines in order to move where it wants, we have ceased to conceive of music in terms of a sequential “progression” of predetermined “chords”, and have begun instead of think in terms of a simultaneous superposition of melodic lines — a superposition that may or may not be tightly coordinated at any given time. And, once we have admitted this way of thinking into our theoretical repertory, there is no excuse (other than intellectual cowardice) for failing to follow it to its logical conclusion — which happens to be the complete and total abolishment of harmonic theory.

In this post-harmonic conception of music theory, each line has an agenda over a given timespan; these local agendas may reinforce each other to a large extent, a small extent, or hardly at all. Let’s look again at the second measure of the above excerpt:

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Over the timespan of this measure, there are basically three distinct lines:

  1. A descent from the stable A-flat to the (even more) stable F;
  2. An ascent from the unstable B-natural to the (slightly less) unstable D-flat, which wants to continue upward;
  3. A static and stable F.

(Notice that, once a diatonic collection and tonic note have been established, the various degrees of “stable” and “unstable” are fundamentally properties of scale degrees, and thus only incidentally apply to simultaneities.) Line 1, which reinforces Line 3 to a great extent, completes its task (to get from A-flat down to F) over the timespan under discussion. Line 2, however, though it goes along for the rhythmic ride with Line 1, is on a fundamentally different tonal mission, one which is not yet accomplished at the end of m.2. Its job is to introduce us to the unstable B-natural that will form part of a larger-scale structural line (it is picked up again in m.2, where it then resolves very temporarily to C) and then to ascend to…well, we have to keep listening to find out! (Exercise for the reader: see if you can follow this line to its “destination”, and describe the function of its “journey” within the structure of the orchestral introduction (mm.1-24). What, indeed, is the structure of the orchestral introduction, and what role does it play within the larger context of the movement? Answers will be given in a future post.)

By the way, if there are any Roman numeral enthusiasts left out there, I have a question for you: Consider the third chord of m.2 (on the second half of beat 4); I assume you would label this “VI without the A-flat”. But what about the F? Is it part of the “chord”, or is it the same “pedal tone” it was during the previous three eighth-notes? Or is the low F a pedal tone, while the other F’s are part of the chord? Think carefully about your answer, because I am entirely serious about the question.

Now, at this point someone is bound to object that no sophisticated theorist (and certainly, no one of the caliber of, say, David Lewin, whom I respect enormously, but who happens to have instigated the current revival of Riemann’s ideas) would ever approach this passage in such an idiotic way as reflected in my “Roman numeral analysis”. Agreed, but I must point out, to use an analogy, that this is like responding to Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion by pointing out that no sophisticated theologian (and certainly, no Oxford don such as Alister McGrath) would ever seek to undermine evolutionary biology. Perhaps not, but by clinging to a superfluous concept such as God, they are helping to prevent the spread of a rational understanding of the world, and thus indirectly lending support not only to the battles of some people against modern science, but to other negative effects of religion as well. Likewise, by continuing to invoke unnecessary and, frankly, deleterious theoretical concepts such as “harmonic progression”, even in conjunction with better ideas such as those of Schenker, music theorists and pedagogues are preventing their students from gaining an honest, explicit understanding of what music is actually made of — and in the process they are lending undeserved legitimacy to all sorts of bad analyses (such as my Roman numeral analysis above).

Those readers who teach freshman theory know perfectly well that the thought process I mocked above is exactly the sort of thought process that many of their students use on their analysis assignments. You can urge them all you like to look at the horizontal dimension, at the phrase structure; you can implore them to (God forbid) play or listen to the passage and use their musical common sense to arrive at an analysis. But, at least for many students, it is all for nought — simply because, while your mind, your soul, and your lips all say one thing, your theoretical vocabulary says something different.

Another possible objection (closely related to the previous one) is that this discussion is old hat, and that passages like the above are common, nothing particular to Reger, and readily tractable within a theoretical framework that includes both “harmony” and “voice-leading” considerations. For example, a Schenkerian theorist might (especially if he or she is familiar with Westergaard) agree entirely with my analysis of m. 2, but simply maintain that mm.1-4 as a whole represent a “I” chord (or Stufe).

My first response to this is to ask, “Why bother?” There is no explanatory work being done by such a concept; to invoke it anyway is to patently violate Occam’s razor. (Again, imagine a theologian agreeing that Darwinian evolution explains life but also holding that life was designed by God.) However, I suspect that a reply might be offered along the following lines: Stufen do in fact perform explanatory work, in that the presence of “coherent progressions” of Stufen (particularly V-I) is a necessary condition for a piece to be “tonal”, and thus for Schenkerian or Westergaardian theory to be applicable in the first place. (Cf. Michael Monroe’s comment regarding the lack of “familiar harmonic progressions” in Schoenberg’s op. 19 no. 2.)

At first glance, this seems like a vicious circle: how does the listener know to listen for Stufen if he or she is not already using Schenkerian theory? But perhaps what is really going on is that my imaginary interlocutor is imagining a sort of “blank slate” model of musical perception, in which the listener starts off having no idea what system to use to interpret the notes, and is subsequently “cued in” by observing certain musical behaviors. This is where things start to get interesting, and where the example of Reger becomes especially pertinent. For I must now ask: where are the “familiar harmonic progressions” in the op. 114 Concerto? (Or the op. 107 Sonata? Or…?) Reger clearly thought of the piece as tonal (specifically in the key of F minor) — but if you do a Roman numeral analysis of, say, the first movement, you won’t find “f: V I” appearing very often. Indeed, you will probably end up with more colons than “I”’s! Here, for instance, is an entirely typical passage:

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Yet, despite the proliferation of such “unfamiliar” progressions, the movement does, in fact, sound “tonal” — it sounds very F-minory to my ears — so what accounts for this?

Well, let’s ask ourselves when it is that we first “discover” that the piece is tonal and in F minor. Speaking for myself, I am already thinking in terms of F minor when the above-cited chromatic passage is reached — well before the first explicit F-minor “V-I cadence”, which occurs in the first measure of p. 6 in the two-piano score. In fact, I can’t imagine anyone getting past the first four measures with any doubts whatsoever about the tonality. But how can this be the case, when there hasn’t yet been any “harmonic motion” at all (if we’re to believe our imaginary Schenkerian) — when only a single chord has been stated?

Ah, but that’s just it! I don’t know about you, but if I hear an F minor triad in isolation, I’m usually going to think of it as the tonic triad in F minor. Why? Because that’s the simplest way to think of it given the evidence I have available. Thinking of it in any other way would require me to refer to absent entities. For example, I could think of it as the mediant triad in D-flat major if I wished, but that would require me to imagine a hypothetical D-flat. (You might want to object and say that to think of it as the tonic triad — i.e. as scale degrees 1, 3, and 5 — in F minor requires one to imagine the rest of the F-minor scale; but remember that the notes of a diatonic collection are not all equivalent in their conceptual status: there is a natural hierarchy based on the complexity of the various acoustical phenomena. Thus, what we call “scale degree 5″, for instance, is actually conceptually prior to all other scale degrees except 1 and 8. So, when I say “tonic triad in F minor”, I’m actually referring to a slightly more primitive concept than “elements 1, 3, and 5 of the F minor scale”.) In fact, if I hear a single F in isolation, I am going to think of it as the “tonic” — in the precise sense that I will be prejudiced toward hearing any subsequent events (or any simultaneous events that I choose to imagine) as conceptually subordinate to the F, rather than the other way around. So, given these constraints, and given the way the Reger concerto opens, I am going to be hearing F as the tonic from the very beginning.

Furthermore, I will continue hearing it this way until a different analysis is forced upon me by the events of the piece. In order for that to happen, the F-minor analysis has to become excessively complex — not according to some absolute standard of complexity, but only relative to alternative analyses. Thus, for example, if immediately after the initial F a B-flat were to follow, I may be strongly tempted to change my analysis to one with B-flat as tonic, since, all other things being equal, it’s easier to think of F as scale degree 5 and B-flat as scale degree 1 than it is to think of F as scale degree 1 and B-flat as scale degree 4 (“scale degree 5″ is a simpler notion than “scale degree 4″). (Of course, since the F came first, all other things are not equal, so the specific way in which the notes were articulated would play a vital role in my choice of interpretation.)

Thus, at least as far as my own hearing is concerned, the “blank slate” model of musical analysis is totally inaccurate. (I suspect that, if readers are honest with themselves, they will find that the same is true in their own cases.) I do not listen for “cues” to decide which of several possible systems to hear the piece in terms of (even ignoring the problem of how the “cues” themselves might be interpreted before such a system has been chosen!). Rather, the analytical system (“tonality”) is given at the outset, and the events of the composition merely constrain the analyses produced by the system. Tonality is therefore not a property that certain musical compositions have and others don’t; it is a cognitive procedure by means of which I (and, I suspect, you too) attribute structure to all music.

I hope you see where I am going with this. If tonality is what I have said it is, then it necessarily applies just as much to the music of Boulez and Babbitt as it does to that of Bach and Beethoven.

But, regardless of whether or not you accept my definition of “tonality”, you cannot have it both ways. “Tonal” is either a historical/descriptive category that applies to works, or a theoretical/explanatory category that applies to listeners’ analyses. Either you test for “tonality” by looking for paradigmatic musical events (in which case Reger works such as this fail the test), or else you assume it a priori and interpret the events of the piece accordingly (in which case there is no such thing as “atonal music” — it becomes an incoherent concept, constructed out of a category error). What you absolutely may not do, however, is apply different definitions to different composers or works. If Schoenberg’s music is atonal because it lacks “familiar progressions”, then so is Reger’s. On the other hand, if Reger’s music is tonal because its notes can be organized hierarchically according to their level of stability (as determined ultimately by acoustical simplicity), then so is Schoenberg’s (and everyone else’s).

4 Responses to “Regerian “harmony” and the tonal system”

  1. Matthew Says:

    The difference between Reger’s tonality and the Second Viennese School’s atonality is that for Reger, the goal of all his chromatic alterations and voice-leading is a harmony with a recognizable traditional tonal function. The entire opening section is leading up to the final beat of m. 17: a clear-as-day V4/3 which resolves into a recapitulation of the opening. The uncertainty of that chord at the beginning (is it some sort of viiº7? Or an f minor chord—hinted at by the pedal tone—with an altered note?) gives way to a confirmation of the latter (the f minor chord) signalled by the V4/3, which, after all, is given prominence by the chromatic sequence gearing up to it. Reger pulls the same rhetorical turn for the final cadence (only this time with a root position V7). Even if you don’t end up hearing the vii-ish thing as an altered tonic, you still hear the V4/3 in the context of f minor, just leading into a deceptive cadence.

    The point is that, Schoenberg might use the same sorts of chromatic voice leading, but the goal of the phrase/section/piece wouldn’t be a triadic collection with a harmonic expectation to be fulfilled or frustrated. (Unless it’s a piece like the “Ode to Napoleon,” say, which is built on nothing but triads, and is really its own special case.) And whereas Reger will almost always fill out his chromatic excursions into triads and seventh chords (for example, in the second statement of the theme in m. 6), an atonal composer like Webern or Boulez will choose to avoid triadic structures, lest they be misinterpreted as tonal harmonies. (Are there isolated triads in Webern and Boulez? Probably. But nowhere in the same universe as the density—and traditional doubling, it should be added—of Reger.)

    The dense chromaticism of Reger (or Strauss, similarly) can always be seen as aiming (usually via a lot of contrary-motion half-steps, either short- or long-range) for a resolution that’s recognizably similar—if not identical—to the sorts of, yes, chord progressions of the common practice period. That’s why, for all their resitance to Roman numerals, they still sound tonal; and why, even when Schoenberg seems to hint at pitch centers (4th quartet, for example), his music doesn’t. (And why, despite the 12-tone vocabulary, cetain pieces of, say, Dallapiccola or Martin DO sound tonal—they’re doing the exact same thing Reger does.)

  2. James Cook Says:

    Matthew,

    First of all, if we translate your analysis of the Reger into simpler language, I think you’ll see the obvious problems:

    The difference between Reger’s tonality and the Second Viennese School’s atonality is that for Reger, the goal of all his chromatic alterations and voice-leading is a harmony with a recognizable traditional tonal function.

    Translation: “In Reger’s music (unlike that of the 2nd Viennese School), I always (eventually) understand which notes are which scale degrees.”

    The entire opening section is leading up to the final beat of m. 17: a clear-as-day V4/3 which resolves into a recapitulation of the opening.

    Translation: “In the context of the passage, the G in the bass of m. 17 is clearly understandable as scale degree 2, and the E as scale degree 7 (etc.)”

    (Incidentally, this is not where the “entire opening section” is leading to: though admittedly mm.17-18 is a structural boundary, it doesn’t represent a “resolution” of the preceding material at all. In particular, the B-natural, which is still alive and well, continues to push us forward. At this point, we’re still within the the opening section, the goal of which (resolution of the B-natural to C) isn’t reached until mm. 23-24.)

    The uncertainty of that chord at the beginning (is it some sort of viiº7? Or an f minor chord—hinted at by the pedal tone—with an altered note?) gives way to a confirmation of the latter (the f minor chord) signalled by the V4/3, which, after all, is given prominence by the chromatic sequence gearing up to it.

    Translation: “In m. 2 I wasn’t sure whether the F was scale degree 1 or scale degree 4, but in m. 18 I know it has to be scale degree 1 because the preceding simultaneity was a C-major triad.” (!)

    The point is that, Schoenberg might use the same sorts of chromatic voice leading, but the goal of the phrase/section/piece wouldn’t be a triadic collection with a harmonic expectation to be fulfilled or frustrated. (Unless it’s a piece like the “Ode to Napoleon,” say, which is built on nothing but triads, and is really its own special case.) And whereas Reger will almost always fill out his chromatic excursions into triads and seventh chords (for example, in the second statement of the theme in m. 6), an atonal composer like Webern or Boulez will choose to avoid triadic structures, lest they be misinterpreted as tonal harmonies. (Are there isolated triads in Webern and Boulez? Probably. But nowhere in the same universe as the density—and traditional doubling, it should be added—of Reger.)

    With all due respect, you seem to have completely missed the point of my post (as well as these previous ones). I have repeatedly been making the case that the actual behavior of notes in a piece (this includes whether explicit triads are used or avoided, whether there is “traditional doubling”, and so on) has nothing to do with “tonality”, which is an analytical system, not a descriptive category. Obviously, the actual surfaces of Webern and Boulez are different from those of Reger — you would have to be deaf not to notice that. The question on the table is whether those surface differences necessitate that one must use separate systems of cognition in order to process the different composers’ music. My answer is a resounding “no”, and my complaint is that it has always been assumed that the answer is not only “yes” but “obviously yes” — without any serious attempt to give an argument for the proposition.

    The dense chromaticism of Reger (or Strauss, similarly) can always be seen as aiming (usually via a lot of contrary-motion half-steps, either short- or long-range) for a resolution that’s recognizably similar—if not identical—to the sorts of, yes, chord progressions of the common practice period… That’s why, for all their resitance to Roman numerals, they still sound tonal; and why, even when Schoenberg seems to hint at pitch centers (4th quartet, for example), his music doesn’t.

    Prove it. I’m dead serious. Explain to me why the Schoenberg 4th quartet isn’t tonal. (Just the first movement will do.) I want to see the reasoning spelled out in detail, with premises and conlcusion. I suggest you start by giving an argument for why (unlike the Reger concerto) it isn’t in the key of F minor.

  3. Matthew Says:

    From your original post: But, regardless of whether or not you accept my definition of “tonality”, you cannot have it both ways.

    Why not? You can listen to a piece in as many different ways as you want—often simultaneously. Timbre, rhythm, dynamics, even text and titles—any or all of those can be used to articulate a musical structure. None of them have to do with tonality/atonality. (In fact, bringing those non-harmonic ways of listening to the fore was a goal for a lot of atonal music.) You can listen to Schoenberg through a tonal lens, or you can listen to Reger through an atonal one. But whether or not that’s the best lens to engage with the composer’s intentions is another matter. And using one lens for both means that the resulting analysis is less useful, and recognizable, to the listener.

    You sum up my reaction to Reger’s V7 chord this way:

    Translation: “In m. 2 I wasn’t sure whether the F was scale degree 1 or scale degree 4, but in m. 18 I know it has to be scale degree 1 because the preceding simultaneity was a C-major triad.” (!)

    The ivory-tower exclamation-point raised eyebrow notwithstanding, I’d say, yup, that’s not far off. Reger’s been circling around f minor for the previous 16 measures—lots of F pedal points, lots of triadic chords that hover about the flat side of the circle of fifths—so when a dominant-seventh chord shows up in the exact key to confirm the Fs and A-flats given such prominence from the outset, yeah, I’ll take that as a confirmation of f minor.

    And that’s because Reger wants me to take it as a confirmation of f minor. The whole pattern of harmonic rhetoric that he sets up is this: a passage presented in a harmonically ambiguous light (either by non-diatonic voice leading or incomplete triads) is later de-ambiguated by filling in the triads or putting it in a clearer harmonic context. He’s taking every structural opportunity to re-establish f minor (not just the pitch F, but the triad) as the goal of the piece. The middle slow section? A-flat major. Which, if you’re conversant with common practice structural patterns, serves as another confirmation.

    Every piece establishes its own rules for structural comprehension as it goes along. But why deny that there’s a whole bunch of pieces for which an analysis based on the vocabulary of traditional tonal theory is much, much, much more in line with the way you actually perceive the piece than one based on row matrices or set theory, and vice versa? There is a vital difference in the way pitches are being used in each style that changes the way you sense the structure in your own ear. If I had to sum it up, I’d say this about the difference in harmonic practice: the composer of a tonal piece is trying to ultimately confirm the listener’s sense that there’s one triadic structure that, hierarchically, is more stable than the others. The composer of an atonal piece is trying to ultimately confound it. You can always find transitional works—tonal pieces that have sections that seem awfully atonal, and vice versa—but the listener is always going to be left with either the sense that the composer has set up and fulfilled certain harmonic expectations, or else deliberately avoided them.

    Analysis is not a search for some grand unified theory of the universality of all musical vocabularies. It’s a tool for putting into words what the composer is doing to make the listener hear the piece the way he/she wants it to be heard, and how successful or unsuccessful the efforts are. Of course there are different cognitive processes at work when listening to Boulez or Mozart—or even Reger and Schoenberg—otherwise, we wouldn’t hear them as different vocabularies/styles. Are there similarities? Sure. If you boiled down the actual cognitive building blocks far enough, would the brain’s tactical strategy for perceiving each style be similar? Probably. Is that a useful level to be abstracting from in trying to analyze those styles? No. It’s like saying that the differences in grammar between English and French are an illusion, because both languages use the same letters. Every time I run into an argument that atonal music is really tonal, or they’re just categorical illusions, and it’s all the same, and we hear them all the same, to me, that’s reducing the richness of music to a one-size-fits-all schematic. The joy of music is that the same twelve notes can be arranged in ways that produce in the listener cognitive reactions of infinite variety. (And that’s not even talking about percussion or other non-pitched music.)

    And, no, I’m not going to set out a detailed analysis of Schoenberg’s 4th with premises and conclusion, nor examples, nor pertinent citations formatted according to the Chicago Manual of Style. One trip through grad school was enough for me, thanks. The point is that, put the Reger and the Schoenberg side-by-side to an unfamiliar listener, and the vast majority of them are going to hear the two pieces as inhabiting distinct harmonic universes, beyond the variance you’d expect within a common harmonic language. That’s something that analysis should explain, not deny. Will the analysis be as beautiful as the music? No—but then again, it never is.

  4. James Cook Says:

    From your original post: But, regardless of whether or not you accept my definition of “tonality”, you cannot have it both ways.

    Why not? You can listen to a piece in as many different ways as you want—often simultaneously.

    Because that isn’t the point. The point is the following: there is a enormous abundance of rich, complex, and powerful musical structure contained within so-called “atonal” music that has never been mentioned at all. With respect to this music, we are in exactly the same situation that we were in with respect to 18th- and 19th-century music before Schenker came along (and that, unfortunately, many people are still in today). The reason that this structure has never been acknowledged is that current theoretical vocabulary does not allow it to be acknowledged. And, moreover, the reason we are stuck with such an impoverished theory is precisely because we have failed to properly absorb the lessons that were implicit in Schenker’s work and made explicit in Westergaard’s. The fact is that you’ll never be able to hear the structure I’m talking about so long as you continue to think like this rather than like this.

    You can listen to Schoenberg through a tonal lens, or you can listen to Reger through an atonal one. But whether or not that’s the best lens to engage with the composer’s intentions is another matter. And using one lens for both means that the resulting analysis is less useful, and recognizable, to the listener.

    Does using “the same lens” (i.e. tonal theory) for both Reger and Bach mean that “the resulting analysis is less useful, and recognizable, to the listener”?

    Translation: “In m. 2 I wasn’t sure whether the F was scale degree 1 or scale degree 4, but in m. 18 I know it has to be scale degree 1 because the preceding simultaneity was a C-major triad.” (!)

    The ivory-tower exclamation-point raised eyebrow notwithstanding, I’d say, yup, that’s not far off. Reger’s been circling around f minor for the previous 16 measures—lots of F pedal points, lots of triadic chords that hover about the flat side of the circle of fifths—so when a dominant-seventh chord shows up in the exact key to confirm the Fs and A-flats given such prominence from the outset, yeah, I’ll take that as a confirmation of f minor.

    My “ivory-tower eyebrow” was raised primarily at your analysis of m.2, rather than of m.18. Right from the outset, there is no reason whatsoever for entertaining the possibility that F might be scale degree 4 (or, indeed, anything other than scale degree 1). Only the sort of convoluted reasoning induced by the “lens” of harmonic theory could make one think otherwise.

    But, while we’re talking about m.18, I’ll also point out that only harmonic theory (with its stereotypical “progressions”) could make one think that m. 18 is a “resolution” of m.17. The only way to arrive at an analysis like this is by elevating the bare pitch-class content of the two measures to such an extent that one completely neglects the melodic processes of which said pitch-class content is a mere byproduct.

    And that’s because Reger wants me to take it as a confirmation of f minor. The whole pattern of harmonic rhetoric that he sets up is this: a passage presented in a harmonically ambiguous light (either by non-diatonic voice leading or incomplete triads) is later de-ambiguated by filling in the triads or putting it in a clearer harmonic context.

    I beg to differ. The pattern of tonal (not “harmonic”) rhetoric he sets up is more like the following:

    mm. 1-4: “Once upon a time, in an F-minor universe, there was…”

    mm. 5-8: “That’s right, once upon a time, in an F-minor universe, there was…”

    mm. 9-15: “Indeed, I’m going to tell you a long, complex story, and it’s going to revolve around…”

    mm. 15-17: “The story will have many interesting details along the way — ”

    mm. 18-20: ” — BUT ANYWAY, ONCE UPON A TIME, in an F-minor universe…”

    m. 21: “…(I think you know what’s coming)…”

    m. 22-24 “…there was…a C!”

    m. 25: [and thus our story begins]

    Every piece establishes its own rules for structural comprehension as it goes along

    To the contrary. This is precisely the “blank slate” view that I criticized in my post.

    But why deny that there’s a whole bunch of pieces for which an analysis based on the vocabulary of traditional tonal theory is much, much, much more in line with the way you actually perceive the piece than one based on row matrices or set theory, and vice versa?

    Because it’s false. And by the way, you have committed a category error by opposing “tonal theory” (a system of pitch perception) to “row matrices and set theory” (a specific compositional device). You may as well have said:

    “But why deny that there’s a whole bunch of pieces for which an analysis based on the vocabulary of traditional tonal theory is much, much, much more in line with the way you actually perceive the piece than one based on expositions and countersubjects, and vice versa?”

    There is a vital difference in the way pitches are being used in each style that changes the way you sense the structure in your own ear. If I had to sum it up, I’d say this about the difference in harmonic practice: the composer of a tonal piece is trying to ultimately confirm the listener’s sense that there’s one triadic structure that, hierarchically, is more stable than the others. The composer of an atonal piece is trying to ultimately confound it.

    To repeat myself: When you assign works to different categories according to the way notes in those works actually behave, you are making a historical distinction, not a theoretical one.

    Of course there are different cognitive processes at work when listening to Boulez or Mozart—or even Reger and Schoenberg—otherwise, we wouldn’t hear them as different vocabularies/styles.

    No — the only way we can even compare and contrast them in the first place is because there is some common framework that we’re using, in which comparisons and contrasts may be made.

    I’m not saying that discourse about Boulez and Mozart should look exactly the same. Buth then again, discourse on Beethoven and Mozart shouldn’t look exactly the same, either. The problem with traditional theory is that treats Boulez and Mozart as if they weren’t even doing the same kind of human activity (music composition). It’s as if one’s a composer, and the other one is something else that we just happen to call a “composer” for lack of a better word.

    Are there similarities? Sure. If you boiled down the actual cognitive building blocks far enough, would the brain’s tactical strategy for perceiving each style be similar? Probably. Is that a useful level to be abstracting from in trying to analyze those styles? No.

    How do you know? Have you tried it?

    It’s like saying that the differences in grammar between English and French are an illusion

    I’m very glad you bring this up. Are you familiar with the discipline of theoretical linguistics (including the work of Noam Chomsky)?

    Every time I run into an argument that atonal music is really tonal, or they’re just categorical illusions, and it’s all the same, and we hear them all the same, to me, that’s reducing the richness of music to a one-size-fits-all schematic.

    It should be manifestly clear that this is the exact opposite of what I am seeking to do. My whole underlying gripe is that the rich details of musical compositions are insufficiently discussed.

    And, no, I’m not going to set out a detailed analysis of Schoenberg’s 4th with premises and conclusion

    If you’re not willing to confront the details of the music, then you are not in a position to be denying the analytical claims of those who are.

    Will the analysis be as beautiful as the music? No—but then again, it never is.

    While this is a truism, it also seems like an illustration of what I wrote in a previous post:

    “I suspect most musicians…attribute their analytical difficulties to the inadequacy of music theory in general, rather than to the true culprit, which is the particular music theory they have been taught. “

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